The Clan Lord Sentinel

Arr ummm the mystics are being dumb, sorry, but for reals, the mess with tha EP, was due to high ranking darshak priests messing about with it.

At the time, this was secret, but now since it be long long over, there is no harm in sayin such. Necro, hired me crew to eliminate amongst others, tha Thaumaturge.

They are now, incredibly dead. Ethereal portal stones were just a red herring. Is yer house flooded cuz of leaky rafters or is it cuz your house got hucked in a river?

Exiles did not cause the near plane collision. The darshak, and their experiments so messed up that Necro asked us for help did.
The mystics in question are acting on faulty intel and not what went down.

So yarr thats some real good mysticin thar.

(please be notin, me intent is not to be a sarcastic dick, that would be a bonus, me point in general is, that mystics, on this specific case, are either not aware of the full story or not sharing the full story with ye. Does EPS use effect the planes? Yarrr. Did it cause tha planar merging? Nay.)

If you need additional information, please be sending a self addressed stamped envelope with some zu in it to your Pirate King, and I'll be sendin ye some previously classified information. I'd offer to guest lecture but I realized Pirate King be busy playing with flying discs during that time in tha library.

Lily Fren wrote:
This is why I voted no.

Have fun without my support. The one thing you people might help the community with you refuse to do? Why are we letting you leeches have a free ride again?

Yep. Nothing in CL should require a mystic if they're going to behave like petty bureaucrats from the dmv. Or you know, we can just choke more life out of a game that has like 30 people playin on a good day...

I am mostly annoyed about when the Mystics decided to not make this a full fledged forge run. By full fledged forge run, I mean making us items that we need/want. If this was announced a week ago, then I wouldn't have prepped so hard and I wouldn't have farmed 35 ethercles, 3 tin ingots, 6 ingots, and the ore. A lot of the community was disappointed. Just a huge downer, give us more of a heads up if you are going to get all preachy and not want to do something. I don't mind you having your reasons just give me more of a heads up next time.

OOC:

Wow. This got kind of rude and insulting really fast. Not nice, people!

I will say a few things for people attending the classes though. We couldn't care less which players have which items - we're totally happy for everyone and their distant relatives to have EPS and portal keys. Our decision was simply not to have our crafter provide those items since it would be seriously breaking character to have him do that without further deliberation (given the potential dangers of EPS etc - we are fans of roleplaying and the EP storyline). This decision applied to just this one trip, and we were even totally happy to have any other ethereal mystic come along and make things for people, as Wangah Rah was in fact willing to do.

I can't emphasize enough how this is a decision made by the H3O council, for this one trip, only for our own crafter. All of which is contained in Lily's post.

And seriously, since when did a small elitist group bent on locking everyone else out of some part of the game run public classes and field trips on what they're interested in? We're just trying to let people know more about the ethereal plane, including about how to get ethereal items. There's no conspiracy here!

One thing I regret is that we didn't resolve on this policy earlier and relentlessly remind people about it, so it didn't cause last-minute disappointment. That said, we did announce more than once at the last trip that we would only promise Amulets, everything else at the discretion of whichever ethereal mystics attended.

(By the way, we made it to the Forge, though not fully intact, and our rescue mission was interrupted by the chaos storm. We may try again next week, having a learned a few tactical lessons. I will make an announcement about that soon.)

P.S. Interesting post, Stinkfist, we'll be in touch.

-HWC Feodoric

Feodoric Mermeios wrote: This decision applied to just this one trip

That's kind of the issue I think... when was the last time there was a publicized trip to the forge? I think people have been waiting to get items and saw this as an opportunity, only to be told no. Hopefully you can chalk up the not-niceness to that frustration and understand, a little? Since Mystics are the only ones who can craft these items, it would be nice if they were a little more helpful.

More forge trips would help solve this issue. I'd certainly help if I was available.

Feodoric Mermeios wrote:This decision applied to just this one trip, and we were even totally happy to have any other ethereal mystic come along and make things for people, as Wangah Rah was in fact willing to do.

Yes, this is the best solution. People should ask a non-Hel Tree Order ethereal mystic to make the items. Then people can get the items they want. Also the Hel Tree Order doesn't break its pledge. So this is a win-win for everyone.

Gloria wrote: Yes, this is the best solution. People should ask a non-Hel Tree Order ethereal mystic to make the items. Then people can get the items they want. Also the Hel Tree Order doesn't break its pledge. So this is a win-win for everyone.

If another Mystic goes and makes EPS, yes. Otherwise this would just upset the currently EPS-starved community.

Hello all, looks like it's Ethereal Forge season!

We've decided that for the third field trip, we will try to reach the Forge again, with some slightly different tactics depending on who we have with us. The lecture topic will be points of interest on the EP and zodiac mazes, as planned.

We still plan to provide Amulets for people who don't have them, so if you came on the trip last time and received materials, be sure to attend next time so you can put them to use.

Our policy about making other items remains unchanged: the Hel Tree Order's crafter will not be taking orders, but any other mystic is welcome to come along and make whatever they wish.

Feodoric Mermeios wrote: Our policy about making other items remains unchanged: the Hel Tree Order's crafter will not be taking orders, but any other mystic is welcome to come along and make whatever they wish.

The Pirate King of Lok'Groton strongly urges tha Hel Tree Order to reconsider this stance. It will only hurt your organization in tha long run.

Tha key to success in this island chain be cooperation, inclusion, and accessibility.

Openness be tha key for an organization to thrive. This is tha lesson I have learned over tha decades as Pirate King.

Secrecy and exclusion be why the mystic guild has such a low reputation amongst exiles these days.

It also be why a great many of clans and extra-clannar groups have dwindled into non-existance over the years. Exclusion takes many forms and is rarely if ever a good idea.

Your crafter mystic's rational has been cited as being faulty and not based on tha facts yet ye still press forward with this idea.

As an order dedicated to knowledge, for the mystic guild to ignore the truth be.. well words can not quite describe how insane that be.

Tha Pirate King wants ye to be a successful group lastin a long time. Tha more successful we all are, tha stronger our island fortress of immortality will be.

This simply will not happen if yer organization stays it's course. For us to survive against our enemies we need all the tools we have at our disposal. To ignore this would be folly.

Would it not be a much much more practical solution to forge whatever exiles bring materials for, accompanied by the lore, dangers, and general practice of using said tools? Is not your purpose to seek knowledge and educate?

Statin' that "other mystics can come along and forge what they want" is not a solution to tha very valid complaints of yer detractors.

I shall close by simply statin' if yas do not give yer supporters what they desire, ye will find yerself without supporters rather quickly. Which would be as tha kids say teh suck, we need all tha active groups we can get in tha lands. Yer in danger of losing yer support.

With Pirate Kingly Semi-Tough Love,
Captain Stinkfist, Pirate King of Lok'Groton

P.S.
Yas also made Wangah looks like tha good guy. You made Wangah looks like a GOOD upstanding citizen. What... the...... Eff.....

Stinkfist wrote: Statin' that "other mystics can come along and forge what they want" is not a solution to tha very valid complaints of yer detractors.

Complaints and detractors will always be around. It isn't a "problem", nor does it require a solution.

If you don't like the project, don't support it.

Whining when people won't do what you want is just poor form.

I hope this trip goes very well.

It almost has to go better than last week's. No fault of the organizers or the participants, we just couldn't handle the critters. Wayfarer never did see the Forge. With luck, he will this time. What with rescuing everybody who fell, I don't think there was time to make anything, either. Again, maybe this coming week.

Feodoric Mermeios wrote:Our policy about making other items remains unchanged: the Hel Tree Order's crafter will not be taking orders, but any other mystic is welcome to come along and make whatever they wish.

I have to follow Stinkys oppinion about this.
The initial post that you won't build EPS or Keys (or at least you say that you might not do them and if then for a probably high charge) resulted in many people turning away even if they wanted to go on the trip...

For me this shows that even with the knowledge provided by Stinky that it will not harm the Ethereal Plane the Mystics of Hel tree order - and especially Drablak - would not deserve any sharing or rescueing any more. This might change again over the time but for time being you got me (and others) pissed and since you don't care - I won't care.

EPS are important for the community expecially with a small amount of people around and hunts that might get late for some exiles. In Arilon we prayed to the gods for making something like that for us because it was the only thing that we could imagine to save the lands from extinction.
Now in Puddleby it's even worse - especially for the former Arilonian people (ooc: Europeans) since most interesting hunts happen to times where our bady clock forces us to sleep. Being able to return with EPS is esentially for joining such a late hunt and you just refuse this because of.... nonexistant mystic reasons!
(You're the best example with your lessons starting late in the night during working days for European people)

I really hope you get smart and will create EPS and keys on the next trips otherwise I sag my antennas with a sad head-shake for the Hel tree order and the Mystic class itself.

but praise Wangah!

Hel Tree Order has taken a considerable amount of time to plan this series of classes for the benefit of the community, and has generously given supplies for ethereal amulets. There is simply no reason to criticise them. People should thank them for hosting an interesting and fun community event! This is the first class since I put my spirit training classes on hold, and with this criticism, we may not see another class for a long time.

Instead of criticising, make a solution! Recruit, bribe, persuade a non-Hel Tree Order ethereal mystic to go on that trip to the forge and they can make the items. Hel Tree Order is already doing a lot by providing amulets for everyone.