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Suu'ub
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by Suu'ub » Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:02 pm

Neko No Kessha again challenges the clans of Puddleby to a Dun'ilsar! The challenge is Coin Collector, and is set for November 14th, 4pm EST/1pm PST.

Suggestions of additions or changes to the time or event should be posted here. Any skinners willing to assist a clan that does not have a skinner should make their availability known.

Event description and rules posted at: http://nekonokessha.wordpress.com/clan-events/

Cinnamon
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by Cinnamon » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:47 am

Team size limits.

Suu'ub
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by Suu'ub » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:37 am

Well since it really is a clan challenge, we can't really limit the number and say only some of your clan can compete. I suppose 10 players could be a maximum. I don't think any active clan right now has 10 members that would show. If clan participation is low, can definitely make a max number of players per team, maybe about 5. However I don't think in this challenge the number of players you have really makes a big difference.

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by Suu'ub » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:32 pm

Since a few have asked, let me clarify. If your clan competes with solely clanmates, there is no limit of players. If there is low clan participation and teams have to be formed, there is a limit. Probably 5 players per team. So the clan that is representing in full solely of clan members has the advantage of no maximum player limit. So organize your clan and come compete! This event has the 2 week notice that Math suggested, in hopes of giving clans more time to organize.

Illora Mone
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by Illora Mone » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:38 pm

Planning to use the established Dun'Ilsar list sometime?

Suu'ub
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by Suu'ub » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:42 pm

What Dun'ilsar list? The scoreboard?

Koraleva
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by Koraleva » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:42 pm

Sounds like a lot of fun to me and i def wanna participate!!

Cinnamon
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by Cinnamon » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:05 am

So you're going to pit a team of two or three against a team of ten or twelve in a CW contest?
I would expect the bigger team to have 4 - 6 times the coin at the end.

This isn't a contest unless the teams are balanced. There's zero strategy. Protect your Rangers & Skea (likely the same characters anyway) and head straight to KI or Metz.

Team size limits wouldn't limit the overall number of players. Let's say SDC has 10 or 12 members show up. Split into two teams. Remainders create intermixed clan teams like the last Dunsilly. Still improves chances for the clan with the largest participation, just not an iWin button when one clan shows up with 15 members and another shows up with 3.

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by Shadowfire » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:57 am

I see your argument Cinn, and add my own: It's less a question of # of people and more a question of rank density. 50 3rdcirclers vs Lorikeet, Suu'ub, Daimoth, Gorvin, Cecil, Gurgi and Kerrah... Who wins?

If it was a question of total coins collected, then yes, numbers might be more relevant. I think the question of numbers and its exclusion from the rules of the challenge is meant to address clan organization and promote participation.

If you lose because nobody from your clan showed up, exhort them to show up so you can win next time! Or so the logic might go.

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by Killian » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:44 pm

Shadowfire wrote: I think the question of numbers and its exclusion from the rules of the challenge is meant to address clan organization and promote participation.

If you lose because nobody from your clan showed up, exhort them to show up so you can win next time! Or so the logic might go.
Clan Participation Would be great! NNK is After Clan participation. However, we understand That many have moved on or find little time to clan. For that reason we expect some to form groups that may not be clan related. This challenge is a great way for many to be involved. All you need is a skinner in your group and your good to go! I'm looking forward to the challenge.

I hope noone kills our skinner.=P

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by Alces » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:17 pm

Killian wrote: I hope noone kills our skinner.=P
That gives me an idea: Skinners are required to wear Dueling gear for the duration of the contest. :twisted:

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by Cinnamon » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:37 pm

When you get a clan comprised of 50 noobs participating, I may concede the point.

I think Lorikeet, Suu'ub, Daimoth, Gorvin, Cecil, Gurgi and Kerrah are in 4 or 5 different clans and who the f* is Kerrah? :P


Oh I'll be there if I can.

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by Suu'ub » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:10 pm

Your team or clan only has 1 skinner, so you're coin hunting in 1 group always. You can't have 2-3 skinners per group and have em all split up, only 1 skinner registers at Skorr at the beginning, so your group will always coin snell-by-snell together. However a large strong group can bulldoze snells of foothills, KI, metz or wherever faster than a smaller weaker group, but there are lots of other places around the lands that have larger quantities of smaller coin beasts. In 1 hour, one of these smaller groups can clear NWF, Bears, SF, cloud, N plains, passes, maybe even valley multiple times and still maintain good enough coin flow to keep up with a foothills group, I'm sure of it.

Since these challenges are new, it's hard to tell who is gonna show up and how many per clan represented. Perhaps we just have to see who shows up and form teams accordingly, if it turns out to be too lopsided. However I don't think splitting up a clan that organized their strategy to let people form their own super group is the answer either. Although these events are just a small image of what the old Dun'ilsar's once were, they're still Dun'ilsars, which are traditionally clan competitions. I think the clans that organize together should stay together, no matter the numbers. Plus it's easier to score that way. The scoring was a bit screwed up on the V.I.A Dun'ilsar because 4 clans represented the winning team. If every event goes like that, there will always be X number of clans tied for first place, and there will never be a sole Dun'ilsar Champion.

It's difficult to think of new challenges that don't rely whatsoever on clan strength. Ideas for new challenges that give newbie clans as much of a chance to win as established high level clans would be good. I have an idea for a relay foot race across puddleby island, with different tasks at a few different checkpoints along the way (raising your fallen clanmate at checkpoint #1 for him to do the next leg to checkpoint #2 and <enter next task for next location>). Suggestions welcomed.

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by Suu'ub » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:21 pm

Thread bump reminder. The Dun'ilsar is this coming Saturday at 4pm EST/1pm PST!

Everyone who wants to have some fun and make some coins should show up! Your presence represents your clan, whether your clan is represented in full or not. No matter the turnout, the teams will be made fair, and any weaker clans or less represented clans will be paired with stronger clans.

If you're a good skinner, your presence would be greatly appreciated!

Rules: http://nekonokessha.wordpress.com/clan-events/

Hope to see you there!

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by reckinyards » Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:19 pm

WHO Had the highest skin????