Zo Speak?

InuTeisei
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Post #1

Zo Speak?

by InuTeisei » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:33 pm

Skirwan wrote:
Pun'isher wrote:/action eyes Blackhole
/ponder That grammar be exceptional for a zo type.... what gives?
Most of us are actually quite literate, thank you very much.

(Damn that Stylunk, making us all look bad...)
We need a forum for proper Zo speak. This being the teaching forum, I thought , maybe this be the best place for a forum based course in Zo Speak.

I think Ratbane and Stylunk should post lessons here so we can all learn to speak Zo properly. I also think Blackhole and Skirwan need to take this as a remedial course too.

:D

Zo post away :)

Stylunk
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Post #2

Zo Speak?

by Stylunk » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:16 pm

Stylunk am speak like Stylunk am speak because Stylunk am only learned some common late in Stylunk's life and it am very different from Sylvan language that Stylunk am raised with. Stylunk am very offended that so many people am think it am funny for am make some fun of how Stylunk am speak and Stylunk am bet that Stylunk am speak Sylvan or Zo way better than you am speak Sylvan or Zo.

MaryJane
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Post #3

Zo Speak?

by MaryJane » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:24 pm

Stylunk wrote:Stylunk am speak like Stylunk am speak because Stylunk am only learned some common late in Stylunk's life and it am very different from Sylvan language that Stylunk am raised with. Stylunk am very offended that so many people am think it am funny for am make some fun of how Stylunk am speak and Stylunk am bet that Stylunk am speak Sylvan or Zo way better than you am speak Sylvan or Zo.
Huh?

<wink>

Skirwan
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Post #4

Zo Speak?

by Skirwan » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:41 pm

MaryJane wrote:Huh?
I think Inu pissed him off.

InuTeisei
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Post #5

Zo Speak?

by InuTeisei » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:59 am

Stylunk wrote:Stylunk am very offended that so many people am think it am funny for am make some fun of how Stylunk am speak and Stylunk am bet that Stylunk am speak Sylvan or Zo way better than you am speak Sylvan or Zo.
If you mean speaketh in pr'per sylvan lisp'ng f'rmat, then ya, ya can also helpeth writeth that c'rse.

I think Stylunk and Ratbane are the best examples of how to properly speak Zo in that they also fully portray correct Zo behavior and demeanor. Me thinks all Zos should follow their example. For Zos who fail to follow the high (IC) standard set by Stylunk and Ratbane I propose the offending Zo be charged by the ZoWhat Mafia for failing to properly act and speak like a Zo.

As a corallary , Connie Crete is to me the model dwarf. All dwarves should strive to live up to the high standard she has set both in terms of proper dwarf speaking *BEER*, and demeanor.

I unfortunately do not have any examples of model fens, nor sylvans.

Cinnamon
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Post #6

Zo Speak?

by Cinnamon » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:38 am

InuTeisei wrote: I think Stylunk and Ratbane are the best examples of how to properly speak Zo in that they also fully portray correct Zo behavior and demeanor.
Didn't Yor publish a Zo/Common dictionary?

Actually, ethnic Gorak Zo have been known to speak a multitude of languages. Far from the commonly accepted stereotype, most converse in any language they have learned as well as anyone.
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Skirwan
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Post #7

Zo Speak?

by Skirwan » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:53 am

Okay, where to start...

First, Sylvans insert apostrophes with abandon but rarely use them to contract words -- that's something Dwarves and Humans do, as well as other folks with a strong Common accent such as myself. Islandrish (sp?) as far as I can tell is about making things longer, not shorter.

Second, the correct plural of 'Zo' is 'Zo'. Count with me: one Zo, two Zo, three Zo, a lot of Zo, a whole bunch of Zo. Hard it ain't. I mean, if we all can figure it out, then... Er, I mean, it's easy.

Third, Stylunk isn't a proper example of how anyone should act. He's a Zo raised by Sylvans, for Gaia sake! I'm pretty sure if you got him drunk enough he'd even admit it (hint: offer Sylvan Whiskey instead of the beer or bloodmead most Zo prefer).

Nextth, Cinnamon is right. I'm not really sure what to make of it, but it probably means the end-times are nigh and we're all gonna die before the planar warming gets a chance to kill us. So now is probably a really good time to take out really big loan.

Anotherth, I've been Zoin' it up since long before most of y'all hit town, and I can assure you this whole "saying 'am' every other word" thing isn't a Zo tradition at all, but a silly fad inspired by a friendly but tragically brain-damaged worker and a stylish-but-vapid Zo who didn't learn Common until about yesterday afternoon I think.

Finallyth, Zo are an important part of the Puddlebean community, making numerous contributions to the fields of hitting stuff, finding stuff, complaining, drinking beer, and maybe 'the arts' if you're not going to check up on that too much. If I wanted to deal with this sort of racism and oppression I'd go back to the Ascendancy.

InuTeisei
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Post #8

Zo Speak?

by InuTeisei » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:55 pm

Skirwan wrote:Second, the correct plural of 'Zo' is 'Zo'. Count with me: one Zo, two Zo, three Zo, a lot of Zo, a whole bunch of Zo. Hard it ain't. I mean, if we all can figure it out, then... Er, I mean, it's easy.
So noted :)
Third, Stylunk isn't a proper example of how anyone should act. He's a Zo raised by Sylvans, for Gaia sake! I'm pretty sure if you got him drunk enough he'd even admit it (hint: offer Sylvan Whiskey instead of the beer or bloodmead most Zo prefer).
Sorry to hear he was raised by Sylvans. I was raised by a mean step momma ho-witchy fen.
Anotherth, I've been Zoin' it up since long before most of y'all hit town, and I can assure you this whole "saying 'am' every other word" thing isn't a Zo tradition at all, but a silly fad inspired by a friendly but tragically brain-damaged worker and a stylish-but-vapid Zo who didn't learn Common until about yesterday afternoon I think.

Finallyth, Zo are an important part of the Puddlebean community, making numerous contributions to the fields of hitting stuff, finding stuff, complaining, drinking beer, and maybe 'the arts' if you're not going to check up on that too much. If I wanted to deal with this sort of racism and oppression I'd go back to the Ascendancy.
Sorry to hear you think of this as racist. I grant it sounds racist to you, but that is not the intent. My little butt has been saved far too many times by my Zo friends to make such statements. I for one love Zo, as they are perhaps the most fun save a PND DH.

Perhaps I should have emphasized Ratbane as my ideal Zo. He fears nothing, charges into danger without hesitation, and is my favorite mystic. He manages to survive when all the 'stronger' exiles in his party fell (see MI hunt on our sketchbook). Perhaps I should emphasize more than Zo Speak. And until this series of posts, I did not equate 'am' as being required for Zo speak, and still do not.

Another example Zo, Gremlins. He does not speak 'Zo' in the stereotypical sense as has been posted on this subject. He also embodies the Zo well in that he willingly sacrifices himself for a stupid little sylvan who mistakenly went on a rescue mission above her level. Plus he is excellent at trying to toughen up said sylvan by dropping bears on her.

Another example is BlackHand, my clanmate. He also is fearless and a model Zo in his demeanor. He loves adventure and has saved us on more than one occasion. He too does not speak in the stereotypical Zo manner.

I have more examples of honorable and smart Zo but this topic would be too long. My point is that although this was started in jest (and not meant to be racist), I really do want to know what is correct Zo speak. There is some disagreement about that, between the stereotype that I myself and others hold (or did hold) and that of the Zo themselves.

Finally since when does speaking a certain way equate to intelligence? I for one do not hold that view as I am the product/relative of non-native speakers who still get ridiculed for their accents (IRL). They are much smarter than many native speakers despite their accents and sometimes incorrect grammar (although many of them have far better grammar than me).

Gremlins
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Post #9

Zo Speak?

by Gremlins » Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:36 pm

Cinnamon wrote: Didn't Yor publish a Zo/Common dictionary?
Not sure if it's what you refer to (or even if that comes from Yor).
http://www.clanlord.com/history/zo/index.html
I would also advise reading http://www.clanlord.com/history/zo/index.html which contains some valuable information.

Pun'isher
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Post #10

Zo Speak?

by Pun'isher » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:01 pm

InuTeisei wrote:I unfortunately do not have any examples of model fens, nor sylvans.
Ahem..... What am I chopped "liver"? Am I not a "vital" part of the community? Don't my puns and jokes give and 'organ'ic sense of sylvanness. Why, bile be a punny's uncle!

Your pal,
Pun

xepel
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Post #11

Zo Speak?

by xepel » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:13 pm

Skirwan wrote: Islandrish (sp?) as far as I can tell is about making things longer, not shorter.
Ilsardinish.

Osaka kept the best dictionary of High Sylvan, though it has been updated as new words have been discovered and unearthed by the members of E'las Loth'mon Ferindril. Alas, there are no native speakers in the lands today, and work on compiling the dictionary has been stalled with the slow collapse of ELF.

Skirwan
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Post #12

Zo Speak?

by Skirwan » Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:30 am

xepel wrote:
Skirwan wrote: Islandrish (sp?) as far as I can tell is about making things longer, not shorter.
Ilsardinish.
Gesundheit.

Cinnamon
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Post #13

Zo Speak?

by Cinnamon » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:09 am

Skirwan wrote:Cinnamon is right.
/action looks to the skies.

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Never been a fan of racial stereotypes, even in as innocuous a setting as an RPG. Personally I think Hunk is the height of all sentient life. I mean, look at him! Those perley whites. That strong but not too beefy physique. That half-full head of hair. He's so dreamy.

Largo
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Post #14

Zo Speak?

by Largo » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:08 pm

InuTeisei wrote: I unfortunately do not have any examples of model fens...
Reporting for duty.

Odesseus
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Post #15

Zo Speak?

by Odesseus » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:29 pm

InuTeisei wrote:I unfortunately do not have any examples of model fens, nor sylvans.
Obviously, you have not met me, either.